Friday mini-roundup
Minneapolis' Healthy Foods Mandate Screws Over Ethnic Grocers
“The city's Staple Food Ordinance mandates that stores carry products customers don't want.”Buried? Feds to release major climate report day after Thanksgiving
Mises Predicted the "Red Meat Tax"
Why A Revote Is Necessary After Brenda Snipes Resigns Amid Florida’s Midterm Insanity
Even California Cannot Defy Nature Forever
QE Created Dangerous Financial Dependence, Italy Hooked, Withdrawal Next, ECB Warns
Information Attacks against Democracies
Roberts, Trump spar in extraordinary scrap over judges
Supersized Monday roundup
In Democratic circles, anti-Semitism is becoming normal
The ACLU Condemns DeVos's Title IX Reforms, Says These Due Process Safeguards 'Inappropriately Favor the Accused'
“So much for civil liberties.”Household debt hit a record high of $13.5 trillion last quarter
A Warm-Up For 2020: Arizona’s Maricopa County Just Stole The Senate Election
I'm not sure about the allegations, but I'm watching closely.GOP Audits Elections Office In County That Swung To Democrats
Hanging On: Republican Congresswoman Mia Love Is Now Favored To Prevail In Tight Re-Election Bid
Stacey Abrams Acknowledges Loss In Georgia Governor's Race
Is an ‘Internet of Ears’ the next big thing for smart homes?
SAF, NRA File Federal Lawsuit Challenging Initiative 1639
Kansas City Health Department pours bleach on food meant for homeless people
Debra Messing Joins Alyssa Milano, Condemns Anti-Semitic Women's March Leaders
Gridlocked, in Fair Weather and Foul
“New Yorkers demand that the mayor clear the roads—but only in snowstorms.”Bubble Trouble: Seattle-Bellevue Metro Housing Market Goes South
Democrats’ Way Back: Is the Resistance rooted in reality?
Identity Politics and American anti-Semitism
Brenda Snipes submits resignation as Broward elections supervisor
Hell Hath No Fury Like a Liberal Scorned: The Media Turns on Facebook and Google
Trump backs sentencing reform bill he says will give ex-inmates 'a second chance at life'
The Institutionalization of Social Justice
There's a Good Reason Many Women Make Less Than Men
Loggers support Trump's claim that wildfires caused by 'poor forest management'
Global warming alarmists pissed off by Canadian gov’t report that nukes their narrative about polar bears
Friday roundup
Batkid saved San Francisco five years ago, and his cancer's been in remission ever since
Read More...I miscalled it
Monday roundup
Pelosi On Broward County: ‘There Is No Election Fraud,’ Just ‘An Honest Count Of The Vote’
Arizona Democrat's Lead Now 'Insurmountable'
Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Moe
❝How Florida elections work—or don’t❞This is What Retail Investors Did with GE This Year as it Plunged
Google’s Highly Cited Scholar Wants a ‘Farewell to Free Speech’
Lhamon’s Confession: She Gamed The Narrative
God and Guns in the Synagogue
Understanding the Global Recession of 2019
Former Hillary Adviser: “Hillary will run again”
‘None of the above’ tops list of potential 2020 Dems, poll shows
Alabama Voters Pass Amendment to Display Ten Commandments at Public Schools
This won't end well. Why is it that certain monotheists define religious freedom as their religion above all others?Should We Abolish the Electoral College?
Judicial Watch sues for records on overlooked House IT scandal
Bonus Sunday mini-roundup
Poll – Dem Choice For 2020 POTUS Race: None Of The Above
Newly Unsealed Documents Show Top FDIC Officials Running Operation Choke Point
“Last week brought new revelations regarding Operation Choke Point, the Obama administration’s effort to freeze politically disfavored businesses out of the financial system.”U.S. Secret Service Warns ID Thieves are Abusing USPS’s Mail Scanning Service
The DEA and ICE are hiding surveillance cameras in streetlights
Florida Sec. of State Orders Recount for Both Senate and Governor’s Races
“The mandatory recount occurs if the winning candidate’s margin is less than 0.5 percent”Are We Becoming a Victimocracy?
Proof positive that these Dems were against Jeff Sessions before they were for him
Feinstein Urged Obama To Use Presidential Power To Limit Immigration: ‘No Legislation Necessary’
Friday roundup
As His Final Move in Office, Jeff Sessions Limits Use of Court Settlements to Reform Rotten Police Departments
I Think I Have Lost the Plot -- When Did AG Jeff Sessions Become a Liberal Icon?
What Causes a Normal Election to Spiral into Tribal Warfare?
Senate Judiciary Committee Report: 45 Interviews, Zero Evidence To Corroborate Claims Against Kavanaugh
China’s president vows to lower tariffs, increase imports amid tensions with US
Harvard's Racist Diversity
Why Are so Few Americans Able to Get Ahead?
Keith Ellison, Farrakhan groupie and go-to Congressman for anti-Israel activists, elected Minnesota AG
Note to Resistance media: The First Amendment wasn’t written to protect a reporter’s right to grandstand in the White House
Devastating wildfire blazes through California town: 'The community of Paradise is destroyed'
Florida Official Overseeing Vote Count Destroyed Ballots, Accused of Not Removing Dead Voters from Rolls
McSally vs. Sinema ballot update: About 9,600 votes separate the candidates, with Sinema in the lead
ABC, NBC Ignore Antifa Mob Assaulting Home of Fox News Host Tucker Carlson
Saudi prince MBS tells US evangelicals the world should focus on Iran, not him
Thusday roundup
Illegal Migrants Boast of Aiding Democrats’ Campaigns
Funny how the rule of law is sacrificed to get the "right" people electedThree European Countries Block Tax on Tech Giants
Mo’ Money, Mo’ Invasion
America Goes to War
“Fighting Russia, China and al-Qaeda simultaneously requires more money”Fmr Assistant Secretary of Treasury Explains What The Mid-Term Elections Are Really About
“The establishment is seeking to make a massive statement this election cycle by punishing all those inside Washington who've ever challenged them.”Hillary Clinton remains the Democrats best chance to defeat Trump in 2020
Right-wing activist group films undercover video of Kyrsten Sinema, staffers
Police decrypt 258,000 messages after breaking pricey IronChat crypto app
6 Questions About The Huge CIA Blunder That Allowed Enemies To Kill 70 U.S. Spies
CIA's ‘surveillance state’ is operating against us all
This Ousted Judge Just Released All the Juvenile Defendants Who Promised Him They Wouldn't Kill Anybody
“He was releasing everybody. Apparently he was saying that's what the voters wanted.”Cannabis Industry Cheers Sessions' Departure at DOJ
3 Ways to Make the Post-Election World Better
Friday roundup
Changing the Rules
Controlling the internetWhy Is Social Media So Toxic?
Have we really wiped out half of all animals?
If Dems win the House, ‘climate committee’ will return – seeking energy taxes
Napolitano Teaches Basic Civics to Desperate ‘Fox & Friends’ Hosts
It wouldn't be the first time Trump said something outrageous to set the discussionWe Need a #MeToo Movement for Political Consent
How Trump Is Winning The Midterm Elections
Pakistan acquits Christian woman on death row
Surveillance Cameras Can Identify Anyone by “Talking to Their Cellphones”
Everything you need to know about economics you can learn in the pet food aisle
'Stalked within your own home': Woman says abusive ex used smart home technology against her
If You Liked 'Axis of Evil,' You're Gonna Love 'Troika of Tyranny'
Foxconn: Failure & Fraud
Vitally important note to any and all politicians
Wednesday roundup
Civility 101: James Cromwell Says ‘There Will Be Blood’ if Dems Lose Midterms
If this is true, why hold elections?State-Backed Digital Currency Offers Nothing for Canadians
Is This Worse Than '68?
Moving The Goalposts: IPCC Secretly Redefines what ‘Climate’ means
Bolsonaro is not a fascist
Dad at McDonald's with kids shoots and kills masked gunman who opened fire
Why Halloween Is America’s Most Neighborhood-Nurturing Holiday
Hillary Clinton Drops Super Racist Comment During Event
Can you imagine any Republican getting away with this?The Misguided Rabbis of Twitter
“Calls to excommunicate pro-Trump Jews are not simply wrong. They’re poison.”Election predictions
Why polls probably aren't workingFeds Order Google To Hand Over A Load Of Innocent Americans' Locations
Not guilty, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. So much for the "right" of privacy.New Research Confirms We Got Cholesterol All Wrong
“The U.S. government has pushed a lot of bad nutrition advice over the years. Maybe it should stop advising us on what to eat.”Warmists and Skeptics Should Agree That This is The Real Scandal in Climate Science
Approval voting
Fargo Considers Whether to Turn Local Elections into a Voting System of Likes (and Dislikes)
“Measure 1 would introduce "approval voting" to the city, meaning voters wouldn't have to abandon independent and third-party choices.”““It's called "approval voting," and residents of Fargo (population: 120,000) are being asked in a ballot initiative if they'd like to be the first municipality in the United States to try it.
Rather than simply voting for one candidate, voters in this system are asked to approve or oppose each person on the ballot. The votes are all tallied, and the candidate with the most approval votes is declared the winner. Much like Maine's ranked-choice instant runoff voting system, this approach doesn't lock voters into supporting a single candidate. It thus allows voters to support third-party and independent candidates if they like them, without having to "throw their vote away" or spoil the chances of a major-party candidate they also support.
Approval voting is a pet project of The Center for Election Science, and the group has been involved in the education campaign in Fargo running up to the election. Polls show that support for this change is high, twice that of those who oppose the change. But more than a third of those polled say that they are undecided, so the center has some work ahead.””
— Scott Shackford
Friday roundup
Headlines that don't merit their own entry
Study: 80% of Americans Believe Political Correctness Is a Problem
Trump's Trade War Isn't Working Because Tariffs Hurt Americans
The $15 Minimum Wage Is Turning Hard Workers Into Black Market Lawbreakers: New at Reason
Rand Paul Reveals Media Hid Key Detail About GOP Baseball Attacker
Obama had secret plan to validate Clinton victory if Trump didn't accept it: report
John McCain passes
Sen. John McCain, American ‘maverick’ and Arizona political giant, dies at age 81
I do not and would not wish death on anyone.
As an Arizona resident who worked against his re-election the last four times, I wish he had retired years ago.
Governor Ducey will be empowered by an act of the legislature to appoint a Republican to fill out the rest of the term. And yes, Arizona state law requires that the appointee be the same party.
I had my disagreements with McCain.
So did Barry Goldwater.
I stopped trusting McCain during the Keating Five mess.
I could say more, but I'll wait a month or so.
I don't speak or write ill of the dead in the first month after their passing. It changes nothing, and everyone deserves the right to deal with their passions and memories.
Edited to add:
McCain to lie in state at Capitol in Washington, Arizona
I know it's supposed to honor the “most eminent citizens,” but I still think lying in state in the Capitol Rotunda is political opportunism.
What's the point?
Killing the goose
No one asked
NeoNote — What has Trump done that is so bad?
❝❝I'm not a Trump fan. I don't trust him and I don't like him.NeoNotes are the selected comments that I made on other boards, in email, or in response to articles where I could not respond directly.
That being said, when some of us said we didn't like Obama, we were told to sit down and shut up. Obama won, and it was his ball game.
That alone should raise people's hackles.
Right after Trump was elected, there was the woman's march thing. I asked a very progressive group just what was it that Trump had said or done that presented such a threat to women in particular. The only real answer I got was something about woman's reproductive rights. That's when I pointed out that Trump supported Planned Parenthood.
One year later, the same group was talking about supporting the next woman's march. I asked what Trump had done in the previous year that was a particular threat to women. I got something vague about the judges he appointed. I asked how that was different than a liberal President appointing liberal judges.
The complaints about Trump not being legitimately elected are mostly recycled from Bush the Younger. The complaints about Trump being a danger to world peace and being totally incompetent are being recycled from Goldwater and Reagan. I know, I went back and checked. Progressive will complain about Trump tweeting from the toilet, but they can't tell you what he has done that they find repulsive. Except judicial appointments, of course.
We've reached the point where we're told that Trump is E-V-I-L, but they can't say why. And meanwhile with overwhelming bad news coverage, he still has an approval rating of more than 50%.
I don't like him. I don't trust him. I think he is going to make some very bad decisions that will be very bad for the country. But meanwhile, he's screwing up the established government traditions and driving the technocrats crazy. He's disrupting things that need to be disrupted. He's changing government. I have to give the man credit for that.❞❞
NeoNote — non-citizens voting
❝❝I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on the internet. As nearly as I can tell from a fast scan, Federal case law says that states are responsible for setting voter qualifications within certain limits. Apparently you can't restrict someone from voting for something like not paying poll taxes, or by requiring them to pass a literacy test.NeoNotes are the selected comments that I made on other boards, in email, or in response to articles where I could not respond directly.
I'm pretty sure it can't be done by a city, but it looks like it may be possible for a state to create voters.
Gods, that's a huge loophole. It may well be legal to be a voter without being a citizen.
There's a small problem. I've looked over the Constitution, paying special attention to the 14th, 15th, and 19th Amendment.
It looks to me that Congress (and therefore the Federal government) has no power to deny people the power to vote, citizen or not. Congress only has limited powers to prevent the States from denying people the vote.
Which means that most Federal election law is illegal. And the loophole remains. If a state permits non-citizens to vote even it's a Federal election, there's nothing the Congress or the Federal government can do.❞❞
Bonus Sunday roundup
Thursday roundup
United Apologizes To Passenger Booted For Congresswoman
also Sheila Jackson Lee’s Long History Of Being An Entitled ‘Queen’Half of America thinks we’re making it up
And they are not wrongUK Muslim No-Go Zones ‘Heading Toward Disaster,’ Non-Muslims Scared, Businesses Stoned
Radical Islam is a cancer and still remain so until other Muslims take a stand.Homeland Security’s Multibillion Dollar Comedy Show
This agency never should have been created10 times the intel community violated the trust of US citizens, lawmakers and allies
In the words of Claire Wolfe, "Only ten?"Freedom Necessarily Includes the Freedom to Act Self-Destructively
Don Boudreaux answers his mail.#MeToo Is Turning Into a Witch-Hunt
What happens when the radical feminists destroy their own goals?Why Does Blow-Drying Hair in Arizona Require 1,000 Hours of Training?
Occupational licensing has become a bane on American societyCollision with Reality: What Depth Psychology Can Tell us About Victimhood Culture
I despise the politics of victimhood. This goes a long way to describing it.Sen. Ron Wyden cosponsors bill to legalize marijuana across U.S.
It's amazing to me that marijuana is considered more dangerous than alcohol, despite all evidence to the contraryH.R. 38: Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017
A Federal law for gun freedom?Roy Moore files lawsuit to block Alabama Senate result
Back in 2000, I blasted Al Gore for demanding the courts intervene. Here is a result.Another Arctic blast poised to usher in 2018
But, but it's global warming climate change…“I am an American and a Patriot”
““I am an American and a Patriot. I am my country's keeper. The President and Congress report to me. And so - I will stay informed and involved. Ignorance, apathy, and complacency are my enemy. I will make my voice heard and not just at election time. Silence is the same as consent in the face of oppression. I can make a difference. I matter.I am an American and a Patriot.””
Read More...
How to annoy two hundred million voters in one easy step
McCain, AGAIN?
Wenesday roundup
Former Dem Congresswoman Sentenced To Five Years In Prison On Corruption Charges
She used both her Congressional membership and a charity.This Company Will Bring Health Care To Your Door, On Demand
As Obamacare destroys the healthcare system, expect smart people finding ways to make it workThey Don't Give Any Advance Notice When They Change The Narrative
Scapegoating on a massive scaleFacebook’s Sheryl Sandberg warns of a “Me Too” backlash against women at work
The backlash is inevitable. The question is how hard and how long.Facebook Is Banning Women for Calling Men ‘Scum’
And the backlash begins…12 states ask Supreme Court to block California egg law
This is long past due. California likes to use it's size and power to meddle in the internal affairs of other states. Almost like they learned it from the Federal government.Judge Halts Indiana Town's Cruel Attempt to Fine Residents Out of their Properties
Not eminent domain, but almost as badMoore spokesman calls sex assault accusers ‘criminals’
I'm not surprised given Moore's history. The sex accusations without proof don't bother me. I'm seriously disturbed that a theocratic Republican with a history of ignoring court rulings is about to be elected to the United States Senate.Can States Compel You to Bake a Cake Against Your Will? The Supreme Court Will Decide.
Most of the pagans and progressives I know think this is a slam dunk. But they don't like it when I ask if that means that the states can force you to do things that violate your beliefs.The stack abides
Flyers for Fairness stumps for a modernized ATC system
Because government can't get it doneCalls to punish skeptics rise with links to climate change, hurricanes
Because denying climate change AS THEY DEFINE IT should be a heresy punishable by lawA $150 Billion Misfire: How Disaster Models Got Irma Wrong
Golly gee wilikers Mr. Weatherman, you mean we can't perfectly predict disaster?B.C. to parents: Please lock up your kids
Maybe government doesn't know better than parentsBlockchain Fix For Voter ID
This makes sense. Which is why the politicos oppose it.A Hardware Privacy Monitor for iPhones
Because government can't keep your data safe'I’ll Tell You One Goddamned Thing for Sure. I’m Not Staying at a Motel 6 From Now On.'
Seems this discount chain is a government informantLegendary Mel Brooks: “Political correctness will be the death of comedy…”
He's right, and it's already showing.Liberals sick of the alt-left are taking 'the red pill'
Perpetual victimhood can make you very tiredTrump Slams the Brakes on Self-Driving Cars
No regulation prevents innovation? First time I've seen that line.Jimmy Kimmel Got a Hand From Chuck Schumer in His Fight Against Obamacare Repeal
There's no problem with speaking for the Democrat party AS LONG AS you tell people that is what you are doingFederal government notifies 21 states of election hacking
Yep, the election was hacked. Just not by the people you've been toldHealth Care Costs Are the Reason You're Not Getting a Raise: New at Reason
Some things come full circle. Employers started offering health insurance and other benefits because the government imposed salary caps.UN solution for a pollution free planet: polluters should pick up the bill
Even the United Nations can be right sometimesStanford Study Finds Fake News Didn’t Tip Election Against Clinton
And the truth will set you FREEUndercover cop, Air Force officer, med student among those police swept up during downtown protest
LevelingFool Me Twice: Trojan Horse Democrats Pile into the House of Single-Payer
Obamacare was never designed to provide healthcare. It was designed to screw healthcare up so badly so that people would demand massive permanent government intervention.It Gets Ugly in Catalonia
Spain can't afford to let Catalonia goHow to Disappear an Activist (Or, Where IS Andy Ostrowski?)
What government can do if they don't like what you sayDiCaprio: History will ‘vilify’ Trump for not fighting climate change
When the facts don't stand up, make it a moral case.Big Brother Walmart Tries to “Help” You: “It’s Like Magic”
They want access to your house so they can watch you and deliver thingsWednesday roundup
Headline roundup
Net Neutrality Supporters Want to ‘Ban Drudge’
One of my maxims applies here. “Ever notice that when someone starts talking about the common good, they try to take something away from you?”Judge: Lois Lerner’s tea party-targeting testimony can stay secret — for now
So what are they hiding?How Team Obama tried to hack the election
We know it happened. Why isn't it being investigated?Inside Obama’s Secret Outreach to Russia
Again, we know it happened. Why isn't it being investigated?Get Congress Back to Legislating, Not Just Budgeting
Another example of unintended consequences.CNN’s Kathy Griffin and the Face of Tolerant Democrats
Griffin doesn't want to face the consequences.Flashback: Obama Admin. Offers to Share Syria Intel on Terrorists With Russia
Yep. We know it happened. Why isn't it being investigated?from crux № 15 — make it better
The last thing I'm writing about the 2016 election
See if they do
Celebs who said they’d leave country if Trump won
Bryan Cranston. Samuel L. Jackson. Lena Dunham. Neve Campbell. Cher. Miley Cyrus. Ne-Yo. Amy Schumer. Chelsea Handler. Jon Stewart. Whoopi Goldberg. Keegan-Michael Key. George Lopez. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Al Sharpton.Meanwhile, Shervin Pishevar wants to turn California into an independent country.
Now I am not noting this because I support Trump.
I don’t think these people have the character and honor to do what they say they will do.
Hollywood celebrities always freak out when a conservative is elected. Trump is no conservative, but they are after the publicity. They won’t leave the country, this is where they get paid.
“If Congress was your co-worker” starring Chris Pine
Rigging against the voters
How dare the FBI investigate her
Politico elites lie
Rigged? In What Way Is This Election NOT Rigged?
❝❝The political and media elites are outraged beyond measure by Donald Trump’s charge that the election could be rigged. How dare he suggest such a thing, they say, for the system is as honest as the day is long!
It shows he knows he is going to lose, they say. It shows that he has no faith in the American system, and is really a fascist at heart.
In reality, it shows no such thing, but it does show that a conversation about whether this election -- and the political system in general -- is rigged is one that the elites most desperately do not want to have.
And that is why we must have it.
And, if we’re going to have it in an honest fashion, the question should be framed not as “Is the system rigged?” but as “In what way is the system not rigged?”❞❞
Donald Trump’s one merit in this election is that he is the system breaker.
No matter who is elected, no matter who wins the inevitable court case challenging the election, the two major political parties are done.
Finished.
There is nothing that can save them now.
Hillary Clinton’s machinations and betrayals are set out for all to see. The Democrat elites helped her shut out all competition. We don’t know exactly why. It certainly wasn’t because of her accomplishments. The takeaway is that the DNC elites can’t be trusted.
The RNC elites are gunning for Trump. He wasn’t supposed to win. The fix was in. The takeaway is that the RNC elites can’t be trusted.
Do you understand yet?
The takeaway is the the elites can’t be trusted.
Government is not your friend.
A government smaller than absolutely necessary.
These are the things you should remember.
Hang onto your freedom.
HT Bookworm.
Wrong lizard
❝❝...On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."❞❞
Sort of sums it all up, doesn't it?
When both choices are bad, and the system locks out any other choice, then why participate? The system is fixed.
It's fixed against you.
2016 Election
I don't like either candidate. I don't trust either candidate. And I definitely don't trust the two major parties.
Read More...The money thing
It’s the only campaign finance scheme that blurbuces the size of government, returns power to the voters, and keeps local money only in politics.
Read More...Voting
Remember the goal is FREEDOM. If the institutions don’t work towards that goal, we need to get rid of the institutions.
Read More...Not a mandate
The default SHOULD be None of the Above
Practical Election Reform
Which laws are necessary and which ones are wasteful? Here is what you can count on a libertarian to say.
Read More...Why every election needs a "None Of The Above"
Supermarket theory of government
Originally published at www.paganvigil.com/C127135145/E20071204130728
Supermarket theory of government
Demand your right to choose nothing and have it count
Sunni Maravillosa is part of a growing number of small "l" libertarians who believes that Ron Paul is no libertarian and voting for him sacrifices freedom.
I agree with her, but I don't think that is the whole problem. My answer is in the technopagan green.
Call me old-fashioned, but I still think the one True Answer is None of the Above.
If you HAVE to choose one from Column A OR one from Column B without the ability to walk away, that is not really a choice.
Oh, I may throw in refinements, like barring the losing candidates from serving in that office for the term of that office, or insisting that in order to "win" a candidate has to carry a majority of eligible voters and not just a majority of those who voted or a majority of registered voters. But in the end, it's the same thing.
Rejecting the choices offered is still a valid choice. Otherwise you're playing three-card monty and the red card is never where you think it is.
I call it the supermarket theory of government. I am not required to buy a cola, or even a soft drink, or any beverage at all. Indeed, I don't have to buy anything or even go into the store.
If there HAS to be a choice between 1, 2, or 3, there is no reason for 1, 2, or 3 to be significantly different unless there is a 0. And if it has to be 1, 2, or 3, there is no reason that the 1, 2, or 3 HAVE to appeal to the disaffected because 1, 2, or 3 will win no matter what the unhappy voters do.
I agree that RP is no libertarian. But he is a symptom, not the problem.
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